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Joe Fisher

What to do with all the bread?

I think my neighbors are starting to feel overwhelmed by all the loaves of bread that keep appearing at their houses :)

Like most of us here, I find little more satisfying than pulling a couple of gorgeous loaves off my stone. I don't have room in my freezer, and I'm way too impatient to wait until I finish one loaf to bake another :)

So what do you all do with your spare loaves? I was thinking of finding a homeless shelter, or the like, in the area to donate them to.

-Joe

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Paddyscake

Cream Cheese Banana Nut Bread

Thought I'd share my favorite Banana Bread recipe.. I think it's the cream cheese
that makes it so good...This takes 15 min to mix up!!We like the topping, but you
can skip it
Makes 2-8"x4" loaves..I use metal pans, greased, with parchment paper on
the bottom and then flour the sides.
3/4 c butter, softened
1 (8oz) pkg Neufchatel cheese
2 c sugar
2 eggs
3 c all purpose flour
1/2 t baking soda
1/2 t baking powder
1/2 t salt
1 1/2 c very ripe mashed bananas (about 4 medium)
1 c pecans or walnuts, chopped
1 t vanilla

Topping :
1/2 c packed brown sugar
1/2 c walnuts or pecans, chopped
1 T flour
1 T melted butter
1/4 t cinnamon
Mix and spinkle over loaves before baking.

Beat cream cheese, vanilla & butter till creamy. Gradually add sugar,
beat til fluffy. Add eggs, 1 at a time, beat until blended.

Combine flour, baking powder, baking soda & salt, add to butter mix, until just
blended. Stir in nanas & nuts. Pour into prepared pans.

The original recipe said to Bake at 350 deg for an hour or until toothpick comes out
clean.I bake mine for 1 1/2hr..everything else I bake (bread etc) according to recipe
temps and don't have any problems..so I think it was a misprint in the original recipe.
So.. check yours after an hour and see. Shield with aluminum foil after 45 min.
Cool 10 minutes and then remove from pans. Cool, before slicing.

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timtune

Flour in Melbourne, Aus

Hi,

Are there anyone from Melbourne, Australia here?

I facing a difficulty finding good bread flour with protein levels of 11%+ and other types of flours, esp rye.
I live in the area of Carlton.

Does anyone know where, nearest to where i stay, to get these flours??

THX

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Paddyscake

Potato Sourdough Starter Help

I had posted a question in regards to this sourdough starter. My first batch of bread was awesome, great tang. The bread I baked subsequently just didn't have the zip. I was asked to share the recipe so here it is. Maybe someone has tried this type of starter before? I was wondering if I should add some more potato from time to time?
This recipe came from Bob's Red Mill. I live about a 1/2 hour from their store... It's a great place to shop.
Bob's Red Mill Sour Dough Starter
1 cup warm water (105-115F)
1 1/2 cups white unbleached flour
1 t sea salt
1 t sugar
1 medium potato, peeled and grated

In a 2 c measure mix together water, flour, salt & sugar. Add potato sufficient enough to make a full 2 cups.

Pour mixture into a 1 quart widemouth jar. Place a cheesecloth over the container and allow to set in a warm place for 24 hours. Stir and cover with plastic wrap. The mixture will become light and foamy in 2-3 days. Stir down each day.

Pour the fermented starter into a glass jar fitted with a tight lid and place in fridge. In 2-3 days when the hooch collects on top it is ripened enough to use.

It smells like blue cheese (well to me anyway)..really pungent..but the bread was great!
If you try it let me know what you think and would appreciate any input.

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BeckyBaker730

Honey-Wheat Potato Bread

I was in a baking mood today (well, on what day am I not?) so I decided to surf the net for an interesting recipe. I found this potato bread recipe on a website for a company that sells potatoes (convenient!). I adapted it to my tastes and the ingredients I had on hand. The recipe is as follows:

Honey-Wheat Potato Bread Makes 2 loaves (using 8x4x2" pans) 1 large potato, peeled and chopped into chunks 1 1/2 cups water 1/2 cup whole milk (approx.) 2 packages (1/4 oz each) active dry yeast 1 cup whole wheat flour 5 cups all-purpose white flour 3 TBS pure honey 2 TBS butter 2 tsp salt

Cook potato chunks in the water until they are tender. Do not drain! Reserve 1/2 cup of the potato water, and mash the potatoes with the rest of the water. Using measuring cup, add enough whole milk to potato mixture to make 2 cups of potato mixture (I needed about 1/2 cup of milk). Make sure reserved potato water is around 110 degrees F (if it has cooled too much, nuke it in the microwave for a few seconds until it warms up...if it is still too hot, wait till it cools). In a large mixing bowl, sprinkle the yeast onto the reserved potato water. Add mashed potato mixture, the cup of whole wheat flour, 1 cup of the white flour, the honey, the butter, and the salt. Beat on LOW speed for 30 seconds or until ingredients are combined. Scrape sides of bowl. Beat on HIGH speed for 3 minutes (set a timer!). Then, on low speed or with a wooden spoon, stir in as much of the remaining white flour as possible. Turn dough out onto floured surface and continue to knead in the remaining flour until a semi-stiff dough is formed. Knead dough, without adding extra flour, about 8 minutes. Place in oiled bowl and cover with plastic wrap. Let rise until doubled, about 1 hour. Gently deflate dough, divide in half, cover and let rest for 10 minutes. Shape dough into loaves or other desired shape, place in oiled pans, cover with plastic and let rise again till almost double, about 40 minutes. While loaves are rising, preheat oven to 375 degrees F. Bake loaves about 40 minutes. If crust starts to brown too much, cover with foil.

My husband gave me a mini digital camera for Christmas, just so that I can post photos of my baked goods. :-) Here are a couple pictures of my finished loaves...
Honey-Wheat Potato Bread
Honey-Wheat Potato Bread

As you can see, the loaf on the left rose significantly higher than the loaf on the right during the 2nd rise. I was not expecting this. The only thing I can attribute it to is that I had quite a time shaping the left loaf, and thus ended up having to knead the dough a little as I shaped it. The right loaf did not get the extra kneading after punching the dough down after the first rise.

We couldn't wait till these loaves cooled, they smelled so good! We each had a slice to sample from the smaller loaf, and the flavor is amazing. Pleasantly nutty (probably from the whole wheat flour) with a wonderful crunchy crust, but soft and tender inside. I'll be baking this weekly from now on, I think!

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bottleny

No-waste method of making starter from scratch

I really like Samartha's way of making a starter: no throwing out
anything.

The "usual" way of making a starter is throw out the half of previous one and then add flour and water.

Repeat several times and then you have your own active starter.

Just as mention here, you may toss out about 83% of flour to make a starter. Even though flour is cheap, you don't need to throw anything out and you can make a ~500g starter ready for making a sourdough bread by following Samartha's method.(step by step with photos)



This website also contains many useful information (with scientific spirit). I think it's good for the beginner. When your starter is ready, you can try to make a SF-style sourdough bread as shown.

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carltonb

Outline of the Sourdough process

The feeding chart

    History of sourdough

  • Chronology
    1. First bread in Egypt 3 or 4 thousand years BC
    2. Process developed by the Roman and brought all over Europe
    3. USA and the "49 ers"
    4. Process widely used until the mid 1800s when commercial starts to become available to bakers
    5. But even then, the sourdough process was still used by bakers that couldn't get commercial yeast
  • First sourdough studies remained very basic, until the discovery of the microscope
  • Dr. Kline and Dr. Sugihara did some extensive researches on sourdough in 1971
  • Nowadays, scientists are able to isolate the micro-organism contained in the culture
  • Because of the very complex environment, some reactions happening in sourdough remains still difficult to explain
  • Different perceptions of the word "sour" in different country (souertaig, levain)
  • There are still a lot of myths surrounding sourdough bread process
  • Flour and water are the main ingredients
  • The way we work with them will affect the characteristics of the final product
  • Need to perpetuate the culture day after day
  • Very demanding process
  • Consistency is very important
  • Understanding sourdough process

      General concept

  • Start with natural ingredients
  • Develop a culture of micro-organism able to generate fermentation
  • Perpetuate the culture
    • How to start a sourdough culture

  • Different methods
    1. Different ingredients
    2. Different consistency of the culture
  • One natural process
  • Provide vital conditions to the micro-organism
    1. Nutrients
    2. Water
    3. Oxygen
  • Demystifying the myth
    • Factors affecting the elaboration

  • Type of flour
  • Hydration
  • Amount of nutrients
  • Temperature
  • Location
    • Bacteriological changes happening during the culture elaboration

  • Natural selection of the microorganism
    1. Yeast
    2. Bacteria
  • Made by the ability of the microorganism to live in this new and specific environment
    1. Acidity
    2. Lack of oxygen
    3. Type of nutrients
  • Reproduction of the microorganism
    1. Population of microorganism starts to grow
  • Natural balance in the flora
    1. Between yeast and bacteria
  • Beginning of the fermentation process
    1. Production of gas
    2. Production of acidity
    3. Lactic acidity
    4. Acetic acidity
      • Main types of micro-organism

    5. Wild yeast
      1. Different than commercial yeast
    6. Bacteria
      1. Homofermentative
      2. Heterofermentative
    7. Origin
      1. Principally coming from the flour
      2. Other places as well

        Role of the micro-organism

    8. Wild yeast
      1. Gas production
      2. Alcohol production
    9. Homofermentative bacteria
      1. Lactic acidity production
    10. Heterofermentative bacteria
      1. Lactic acidity production
      2. Acetic acidity production
      3. Gas production

        Determining when the culture is ready to be used

    11. After the all elaboration process, the culture should be active enough to generate fermentation
      1. Should rise about 3 times its initial volume after 8 hours
    12. The surface gives also some indication
      1. Should dome with a slight collapsing in the center
    13. At this time the culture becomes a starter
      • Feeding the starter

    14. To maintain the good activity of the yeast and bacteria
      1. Feeding supplies nutrients, water and oxygen
    15. To increase the quantity of starter
      1. Have enough levain to ferment the final dough
    16. To perpetuate the culture
      • Perpetuating the starter

    17. Three possibilities
      1. Taking the starter from the levain a safe technique
      2. Taking the starter from a "Mother" a very safe technique and the possibility to work with different flour
      3. Taking the starter from the final dough a more risky technique

        Different feeding processes

    18. One feeding a day
    19. Two feeding a day
    20. Three feeding a day
      • One feeding a day

    21. Difficult to troubleshoot
      1. One opportunity per day
    22. Difficult to accommodate last minute order
    23. Risk of having acidity build up in the levain
      1. Change in the final product characteristics
      2. Not so good for flavor profile
    24. Convenient feeding schedule
      • Two feeding a day

    25. Convenient schedule
    26. Good for consistency of the culture
    27. Good for troubleshooting if necessary
    28. Possibility to accommodate last minute order
    29. More chances to increase or decrease quantity if necessary
      • Three feeding a day
    30. Very good schedule for consistency
    31. Easy to troubleshoot if necessary also easy to accommodate last minute order
    32. Allow the baker to have levain ready to bake at least 3 times a day
    33. Demanding feeding schedule
      • Maintening the culture

    34. General considerations
      1. Hygiene
      2. "Contamination"
    35. Feeding consistency
      1. Water temperature
      2. Proportion of the ingredients
      3. Fermentation temperature
      4. Type of flour
      5. Timing

        Factors affecting sourdough characteristics

    36. Hydration
      1. Affect type of acidity developed in the culture
      2. Liquid
      3. Stiff
    37. Storage temperature
      1. Ambient
      2. Lower temperature
      3. Retarding
    38. Flour
      1. Type of flour
      2. Ash content
    39. Proportion of starter
    40. Feeding process
      1. Number of feeding per day
    41. Acidity level
      • In the final dough

    42. Proportion of levain
      1. Related to dough and bread characteristics, Strength and Flavor (acidity level)
    43. Use for different types of product
      1. Possibility to develop different cultures with different characteristics, Whole Wheat, Rye, Sweet dough

        General consideration

    44. Culture process can be designed to fit production and facility requirement
    45. Consistency very important
    46. One little change could affect the culture characteristics
    47. Minor everyday changes could affect the final product characteristics
      • Sourdough baking process

    48. Mixing
      1. Short or improved mix
    49. First fermentation
      1. Longer
    50. Dough handling
      1. More gentle
    51. Final proof
      1. Longer
      2. Easy to retard
    52. Scoring
      1. Very tolerant dough
    53. Baking
      1. Lower temperature when possible

      Here are some images that graphically show how much of the process takes place.

      The transformation made by the micro-organisms in the sourdough process

      The Sourdough feeding process when the starter is taken from the final dough

      The Sourdough feeding process when the starter is taken from the levain

      Diagram of the sourdough process

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    Floydm

    Popovers

    popovers

    I dig popovers. No leavening at all, just steam.

    Popovers Make 1 dozen popovers 1 cup all-purpose flour 1/4 teaspoon salt 1 tablespoon sugar 1 tablespoon melted butter or vegetable oil 1 cup milk 2 eggs
    Preheat oven to 375 degrees. Combine the dry ingredients and mix well. Combine the wet ingredients and mix into the dry ingredients until you have a very smooth batter. You can use an electric mixer or eggbeater to do this, do it by hand, or even mix it in a blender.

    Pour the batter into greased muffin tins. The tins should only be about half full.
    popovers

    For a light-colored, drier popover, bake at 375 for 50 to 55 minutes. For a darker, crustier but moister in the inside popover, bake at 400 degrees for 40 minutes (as I did in this batch).
    popovers

    Remove from the oven and eat while hot with jam or butter.

    popovers

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    Floydm

    Con Pane Rustic Breads & Cafe

    Con Pane Rustic Breads & Cafe 2750 Dewey Road, Suite 105, San Diego, California 92106

    Hours:
    Closed Wednesdays
    M-F: 7:00am - 6:00pm
    Sat: 8:00am - 6:00pm
    Sun: 8:00am - 4:00pm

    24 varieties of Artisan breads including Traditional French Baguettes, Pain au Levain, Artisan Multi-Grain, Raisin and Hazelnut Batard, Gruyere & Chive Boule, and Pane Cioccolata.

    Also, brioche cinnamon rolls and chocolate twists, scones and cookies as well as hugh innovative sandwiches and coffee and espresso drinks.

    Find it on the bakery finder.

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    Floydm

    Apple Butter

    apple butter

    Spiced Apple Butter 6 lbs. Golden Delicious or other variety apples (about 2 doz. medium-sized apples) 1 and 1/4 cups water 1/4 cup lemon juice 1/2 tsp salt 1 and 1/2 tsp cinnamon 1/4 tsp ground cloves 3 and 1/2 cups brown sugar 1/2 cup orange-flavored liqueur or orange juice
    Core apples and cut in quarters; not necessary to peel them. Cook until soft, with the water and lemon juice. Remove from heat and put contents through sieve or food mill (i.e., make applesauce). Return to kettle and add all other ingredients except liqueur. Simmer, uncovered, stirring frequently to avoid burning on bottom. Be sure to stir more frequently as mixture thickens. It takes about 1-1/2 hrs. to thicken enough. Remove from heat and add liqueur. Seal in sterilized jars. Makes approximately 4 pints.

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